Originally by: Hostility Incarnate

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A few of your are worthy ....

Market Discussion forum has been, for a very long time, passed over by Eve's lowest common denominator. This made it the preferred forum for those who prefer not to virtually rut in the mud with the rest of the riff raff. Not everyone wants to degrade others or be a degenerate.

Many of you call that "elitism". It is accurately called "having standards" and yall don't rate... so you do what you can to trash the forums to your level. And like any other scavenger, you are trying to vomit on the efforts, reputation, and history of those better men and women that came before you.

A recent eBank post called this what it is: Forum Euthanasia. To finally become acceptable and achieve success, lower the goal posts to your level. I'd call you Jackals but that would be insulting Jackals. (And I'm sure one would report this thread for that.)

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Originally by: abraheam

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Originally by: Hostility Incarnate

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As I see it, the correct topic is being overlooked. Should be, "why are many veterans leaving these forums behind?" Some of these guys have invested years in helping to foster a community here. Some with tough love, aye, but none the less with love and sweat.

I can imagine what it would take for these types to decide that there is no longer any return value for their investment, here. Most of these veterans that are leaving are long term players/planners/thinkers and they have started to categorically rate this forum as a poor investment.

Reading this thread has only substantiated that thought in my mind. A few of your are worthy but then those who were always were before this thread.

The nature of the internet is that any community is held hostage to its lowest common denominator. Market Discussion forum has been, for a very long time, passed over by Eve's lowest common denominator. This made it the preferred forum for those who prefer not to virtually rut in the mud with the rest of the riff raff. Not everyone wants to degrade others or be a degenerate.

Many of you call that "elitism". It is accurately called "having standards" and yall don't rate... so you do what you can to trash the forums to your level. And like any other scavenger, you are trying to vomit on the efforts, reputation, and history of those better men and women that came before you.

A recent eBank post called this what it is: Forum Euthanasia. To finally become acceptable and achieve success, lower the goal posts to your level. I'd call you Jackals but that would be insulting Jackals. (And I'm sure one would report this thread for that.)

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You are the General Windypops of MD.

I have seriously never seen so many words used to say so little.

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Originally by: Midas Man

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Originally by: VJ Maverick

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Eve-search sucks. It has always sucked and will probably suck long after the "elders" have moved out of their parents' basements. And even if a question has already been asked and answered, the level of effort that the "elite" puts into abusing the poor noob who posed it always far exceeds the level of effort required to simply answer the question again or point the noob in the right direction. Let these self-important a-holes leave. Nobody will miss them. Nobody cares. EvE is bigger than even the most over-inflated internet ego.

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A search engine is only as good as the information you feed it, Eve Search is fantastic and even keeps the uneditted version of the post, perfect for spotting scammer and the like.

If you find Evesearch Sucks, then maybe its you that sucks and you few post above only go further to confirm that theory, The "Elites" as you like to generalise them werenot gifted with the information that you fools feel they should share with any nublet that cannot understand the simplicity of a search engine, If a leet person knows it it is probably documented somewhere and if its not its information they are going to keep guarded for their own good and profitability.

Grow up and stop expecting your parents to hand hold you through everything (In this case the parents are the Elites.

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Originally by: Kazzac Elentria

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Originally by: VJ Maverick

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You're right. I suck. My real parents are long dead. Perhaps my other parents - these arrogant elites can follow their example and go away. Maybe you should lead them.

And another thing regarding eve-search. It is an external site. Expecting noobs to use a search engine that is not part of the eve forums to find topics in the eve forums is absolutely ridiculous. I could understand if the eve-search site was actually a very effective search engine, but honestly, for the most part, eve-search makes Ask Jeeves look good. But then again. I suck. I don't really know what I'm doing or talking about. But my general suckiness and incompetence notwithstanding, I'm pretty sure these "elite parents" will not be missed by anyone but the most co-dependent of sycophants.

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And then they wonder why we complain about the lowered quality around here lately.

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Originally by: Midas Man

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Originally by: VJ Maverick

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You're right. I suck. My real parents are long dead. Perhaps my other parents - these arrogant elites can follow their example and go away. Maybe you should lead them.

And another thing regarding eve-search. It is an external site. Expecting noobs to use a search engine that is not part of the eve forums to find topics in the eve forums is absolutely ridiculous. I could understand if the eve-search site was actually a very effective search engine, but honestly, for the most part, eve-search makes Ask Jeeves look good. But then again. I suck. I don't really know what I'm doing or talking about. But my general suckiness and incompetence notwithstanding, I'm pretty sure these "elite parents" will not be missed by anyone but the most co-dependent of sycophants.

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Casing point and thank you for being so honest, if a few more of the newer players would be as honest as you maybe MD regulars would go a bit easy on y'all.

ie "Hello Im new here I cannot be bothered reading stickies and I cannot use search engines, could someone pls point me to some information about how to trade"

would get a better reception than

"Tradz peoplez Plz tell me how to be uber rick, k thx"

Have a good day, and as you should know admission is the first step on the road to recovery.

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Originally by: Midas Man

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Originally by: VJ Maverick

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Originally by: Midas Man

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Originally by: VJ Maverick

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You're right. I suck. My real parents are long dead. Perhaps my other parents - these arrogant elites can follow their example and go away. Maybe you should lead them.

And another thing regarding eve-search. It is an external site. Expecting noobs to use a search engine that is not part of the eve forums to find topics in the eve forums is absolutely ridiculous. I could understand if the eve-search site was actually a very effective search engine, but honestly, for the most part, eve-search makes Ask Jeeves look good. But then again. I suck. I don't really know what I'm doing or talking about. But my general suckiness and incompetence notwithstanding, I'm pretty sure these "elite parents" will not be missed by anyone but the most co-dependent of sycophants.

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Casing point and thank you for being so honest, if a few more of the newer players would be as honest as you maybe MD regulars would go a bit easy on y'all.

ie "Hello Im new here I cannot be bothered reading stickies and I cannot use search engines, could someone pls point me to some information about how to trade"

would get a better reception than

"Tradz peoplez Plz tell me how to be uber rick, k thx"

Have a good day, and as you should know admission is the first step on the road to recovery.

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Since we've clearly degraded to a ****ing match about each other's intelligence, what the hell does "casing point" mean? I'm new here and I can't be bothered to use search engines. Please elaborate.

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A point that proves the case weve been discussing. See no hostility fantastic aint it.

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Originally by: DJ Geist

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However, the mis-reading comes when people unflinchingly place themselves in the 'higher' category without hesitation. They think the higher humanity is unproblematically achieved: one just needs to stipulate that they (and their buddies) are in such a category.

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Originally by: Kazzac Elentria

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-reported

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Originally by: Midas Man

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Originally by: VJ Maverick

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With no hostility intended, you'd sound a lot more credible if you used the phrase "case in point" or its legalese equivalent "case on point." "Casing point" makes absolutely no sense.

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Well obviously English aint my strong point but i'm sure I was close enough for people to understand with a tiny bit of thought but oh well thanks for the correction. Im just happy trade is based on Mathematics and Economics and not a grasp of the english language. Not sure what it has to do with credibility should I discredit anyone in future who makes a spelling punctuation or grammar mistake? I dont think so some how.

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Originally by: Kazzac Elentria

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Originally by: Ray McCormack

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Originally by: Kazzac Elentria

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-reported

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Man, I'm sick of this hall-monitor **** that's pervaded this forum the last month. If you want to report a thread just do it, don't make a ****ing announcement about the thing. No one needs to know you're a nerdy, spotty moron that rats on everyone.

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I agree with you, but there are times where examples need to be made and lines drawn in the sand. At this point the thread has devolved into nothing productive, and we have a single user to thank for it.

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Originally by: Midas Man

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Originally by: VJ Maverick

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Trade may very well be based on Economics and Mathematics. But internet e-peen fluffing, which is clearly the area we're in right now, is most certainly based on rhetoric and language. And since you like to get oh so technical, let's get right to it. "Casing point" is not a spelling error. The word "casing" exists and you spelled it correctly. It is not a grammar error. It is a 'diction' error - an error in the thought process resulting in using the wrong word entirely as opposed to using the right word but misspelling it. Didn't your 'elite MD' parents teach you that in order to sound properly haughty and smug in MD, you must avoid 'diction' errors at all costs?

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Bravo, explain why your here then your elitist english skills would be more suitable as a public speaker for a corp or alliance. Getting anal over SPG errors is elitist, I'm not stroking my epeen either just pointing out that you are the exact reason people have become bored with this section of the forum.
Alot of people come here for help and do nothing but get the back up of the people they are requesting help from and then start ranting like 5 year olds because noone will help them.
Think what you will of my Language skills but your a bit off the mark if you seriously believe a simple error in language on a Game forum is worthy of discrediting someone, you do realise the best Language writer have the book, articals etc proof read numerous times because noone is perfect.
Get a grip on reality, you dont add any valid point to this thread you've manage to degrade the whole thread to something meaningless, even though various people have pointed out your blatent ignorance.

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Originally by: Midas Man

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Hehe good luck with that, you just ruined any chance of investment in this 1 thread and judging from you responces here you dont have the tools need to make the isk yourself.

signing out, I aint elitist but graduated I from nursary many moons ago so think I am a bit to 'leet for this paticular thread

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Originally by: Stardust CEO

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Originally by: VJ Maverick

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thus nobody will care why the elites are leaving and where they are going.

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I care. I'm certain a few of us do.

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Originally by: Mohram

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Say what you want about where this forum should be. Hexxx leaving does not make this place better. But like all things, someone will step up to fill the void left. Someone always does so I think in the long term it will adjust, as markets do.

I'm just a lurker though.

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Originally by: SencneS

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Originally by: VJ Maverick

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Said stuff

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Imagine if I came into somewhere you spent a lot of time, a community that knows you, and loves you, and I say "Who the hell is this person, he is nothing to me and shouldn't mean anything to anyone else."

I have to say you did make me laugh because your ignorance is so unbelievable, it's pure comedy gold reading it.

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Originally by: Shar Tegral

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stuff

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Originally by: Mohram

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Originally by: VJ Maverick

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Who the frack is Hexxx and why should I care what he has to say? I've been playing EvE for two years and somehow I got by without worshiping Hexx, Treelox, Shar Tegral, or any of the other departed "Jedi" masters. Don't we have enough demagogues in real life? Why do we have to bring them here? Seriously, no offense to any of the mentioned "elders" but I have done just fine without their help and neither my gameplay nor the gameplay of 99.9% of the EvE community will be affected by these people's temper tantrums.

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I in no way worship the man, I respect the hell out of him though.

Why? Because he knows his stuff and had NO problem with imparting that to anyone that asked.

If you want to know who he is and why you should care. Look him up. I'm sure you've done well without anyone but yourself, good for you. This is a community though and with all communities there will be people that are more knowledgable and more helpful then most members of that group. Hexxx was one of those people. Don't worry though if it would help your ego some, had you done the same things I would be using your name here. But I do have to say that after reading your post, I'm doubting that will happen.

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Originally by: Shar Tegral

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Originally by: VJ Maverick

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So no particular offense to you, Shar Tegral, I just have a problem with this artificially imposed stratification of the forums.

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I've taken no offense at all, just my usual blunt speech. The thing I don't understand is why do you need to challenge someone else's respect in another person? Especially regarding people that are leaving?

Mind you I think that action by you is the most foolish thing of all. On par with the blind leading the blind.

That is the only thing that boggles my mind... what are you getting out of all this investment you've typed here? If it is trolling, then you've over invested and I think when the interest payment comes due ... ...

If it is some other well intentioned thing then perhaps you need to leave the thread alone for 24 hours and come back to it. Fresh so to speak.

That's my advice for you and it's free.
Any more will cost you.

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Originally by: Amarr Citizen 155

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Originally by: VJ Maverick

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So anyone know where I can read up on this T2 exploit thingie? I keep hearing about it but would really like to find out more. And please don't send me to eve-search. I'm too stupid and impatient to sift through 20 pages of irrelevant results. Just give me the frackin link. Please? Shar?

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http://oldforums.eveonline.com/?a=topic&threadID=940462

Mohram, the above link is to the questions thread. And you can call me amarr citizen 155, amarr155, ac155. Or if you're treelox, you can call me son.

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Originally by: DJ Geist

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Shar Tegral, for the record, while you did get lumped in with the 'elite' in this thread by those who are posting in protest of the related elitism, it seems that arose indirectly. It's not the case that the "riff raff" started singling out particular people who are "high rollers" and then ridiculed their in-game careers. Instead, certain posts did establish a very haughty and naive us vs them kind of mentality (see posts by hostility Incarnate, as a key example), and those posts were by people who presume they fall in the "elite" category (whatever that means).

Thus the oppositional mindset that you are seeing now is underwritten by some people presuming that they are better than others in such a way that there is one clearly "elite" group, and one that is "inferior" (insulting to jackals, etc).

Since then, those who mock and resist such haughtiness have speculated on particular names of who is deluded to think of themselves this way (this is the indirect effect). But strictly speaking, the category distinction that fuels the divisiveness was proclaimed by those who think they are in power, not those who mirthfully reject such claims to power.

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Originally by: Cheopis

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Originally by: VJ Maverick

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Originally by: DJ Geist

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Shar Tegral, for the record, while you did get lumped in with the 'elite' in this thread by those who are posting in protest of the related elitism, it seems that arose indirectly. It's not the case that the "riff raff" started singling out particular people who are "high rollers" and then ridiculed their in-game careers. Instead, certain posts did establish a very haughty and naive us vs them kind of mentality (see posts by hostility Incarnate, as a key example), and those posts were by people who presume they fall in the "elite" category (whatever that means).

Thus the oppositional mindset that you are seeing now is underwritten by some people presuming that they are better than others in such a way that there is one clearly "elite" group, and one that is "inferior" (insulting to jackals, etc).

Since then, those who mock and resist such haughtiness have speculated on particular names of who is deluded to think of themselves this way (this is the indirect effect). But strictly speaking, the category distinction that fuels the divisiveness was proclaimed by those who think they are in power, not those who mirthfully reject such claims to power.

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deep... +1

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Are you, perhaps, considering taking a closer look? Or are you just posting for posting's sake?

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